Oh the goal with sex is always to make it as novel as possible, usually it's treated in a similar way as any other imaginary scene.(edited)
7:24 PM
The goal is very much to sexual on every possible imaginary surface you can possibly think of.
7:24 PM
It's obviously the only way.
Zen
I have no need for a consistent and samey mind palace. My wonderland is always its most vivid because I am actually using it to imagine things that are interesting and novel to me.
The trick with imagination is much the same as with tulpamancy; the more you relax into visualization the more you will slip into a dissociative trance from your physical perceptions. When you do this, your visualizations will become more real and be brought into greater focus.
Vividity can be defined mostly relative to your normal waking imagination. When I describe vividness it is in relation to my own already-strong imagination in waking life.
7:28 PM
But people seem to have "normals" with regards to this, which may or may not be a matter of practice or genetics.
7:29 PM
I cannot comment on that - Only describe how to reach your own "vivid".
7:29 PM
But mind's eye places might be better equipped to teach you to train the core skill.
Zen
The trick with imagination is much the same as with tulpamancy; the more you relax into visualization the more you will slip into a dissociative trance from your physical perceptions. When you do this, your visualizations will become more real and be brought into greater focus.
Vividity can be defined mostly relative to your normal waking imagination. When I describe vividness it is in relation to my own already-strong imagination in waking life.
Yeah, i completely dive into imagination. I already have this skill - doing it every time i read a book. I thought you meant your wonderland is everchanging.
Like, when i said the plus of wonderland places is they are stable, i was referring to the fact you don't need to imagine all the scenery every time from scratch. Just new parts of it.
Well in the right mood i can create and destroy worlds in seconds but getting to that mood is difficult. Sometimes i cant imagine anything at all. But Imposition still works strangely
Zen
Imagining a scene, even with full camera techniques cinematographically, is instant to me as long as I have a premise.
Watch a bunch of educational material on cinematography. Watch a lot of movies with an eye for it. It's a reflex to see in this context. It's also probably not the only structure-building reflex - You could just as easily think in terms of comic panels.
Someone once gave me an example of "think of a battlefield" ; What my mind made was a complex panorama of a desolate, muddy field, with no vegetation, that is being heavily rained on, and there are weapons (all medieval, because that's my jam) stuck in or lying in the mud, along with bodies and so on. That's a complex image, but it cannot first exist until you know what a sweeping shot of any landscape looks like. The rest of that detail is just knowing what sort of things are lying around on a battlefield and how to make it look cool.(edited)
Somewhat relatedly, I once saw The Hobbit in 3D at 60 frames per second (instead of the usual 30 for movies in theater) and the biggest difference I could tell with 60 fps is just how much smoother the camera movements were. I was mad that they didn't show it at 60 fps in 2D as well, because I hate 3D theater(edited)
What I meant was like, does the background stay consistent as it's zoomed out? Or is there like some blurriness going on because you wouldn't focus on the background anyway?
7:59 PM
Not sure if that makes sense lol
7:59 PM
And then also, instead of zooming, do you often just create a new snapshot from a different camera angle?
No, just imagined all of this staring at the screen
Unfastened Belts
What I meant was like, does the background stay consistent as it's zoomed out? Or is there like some blurriness going on because you wouldn't focus on the background anyway?
You can't imagine something you don't know already. There's nothing new you can create. There's always just reshuffled parts of others things you know mixed together. Theres no true creativity. We live in a hell, boiling in our own juice, reusing same concepts over and over again, just try to count how much of an information you consumed was not created by humans or directly influenced by them? How much????
I can feel the texture of Asterion's fur in my fingers if I'm in a dissociative trance. Feel the humid heat of the labyrinth, perfectly constructed around us. Hear the subtle flicker of candles. All at once, and without effort. A complex and immediate scene of a battlefield pales in comparison to the full-body (and also emotional) experience that's possible with a dissociative trance.
8:09 PM
It's difficult to describe why, because the former scene definitely is complex, but it's still as distant as a cinematographical image.
8:10 PM
If I'm watching something in 1080p, it's still not me touching it, in other words.
8:10 PM
It just so happens that y'all are seemingly by default at 240p
I can feel the texture of Asterion's fur in my fingers if I'm in a dissociative trance. Feel the humid heat of the labyrinth, perfectly constructed around us. Hear the subtle flicker of candles. All at once, and without effort. A complex and immediate scene of a battlefield pales in comparison to the full-body (and also emotional) experience that's possible with a dissociative trance.
It's not effortless, it's a genuine application of hours-long trance to my already extant abilities. And it has taken quite some time to develop. But it is what it is. It's also not perfectly consistent, like any other visualization, I'd add.
8:14 PM
If I didn't have a genuine desire to be with my tulpas in the manner that I am, I would not put in the effort to do this.
I can feel the texture of Asterion's fur in my fingers if I'm in a dissociative trance. Feel the humid heat of the labyrinth, perfectly constructed around us. Hear the subtle flicker of candles. All at once, and without effort. A complex and immediate scene of a battlefield pales in comparison to the full-body (and also emotional) experience that's possible with a dissociative trance.
also yeah, while I can see/experience the entire scene it always feels distant and maybe a bit blurry if I'm not devoting the entirety of my focus on the scene
6:55 PM
from what I've read this is an uncommon skill to start off with?
7:00 PM
Oh wait you said you go into a trance to do it, can most people not imagine these things at least vaguely if they're like, just chilling?
He's no longer on this server, but he is pretty experienced tulpamancer, so i suggest you go and DM him. He was pretty helpful to newbies at the time.(edited)
It's an interesting read, I do agree that it's essentially a tulpa guide. I heavily disagree with their view on tulpa ethics though.
I think it's pretty fascinating they have basically the same FAQ as we do.
I think their thoughts on personality forcing are interesting, it's more detailed.
If you assume your characters aren't their own people then the ethics stuff doesn't matter, but it will grind my gears anyhow.
I'm curious that there's this hesitant contradiction going on. If an "imaginary friend" is just you, why are you saying it's not? You think it won't cause DID/schizophrenia?
It's also really curious to me that they also have parrotnoia. That certainly complicates the idea of what it really is. Perhaps there's some kind of deeply rooted expectation causing problems, and honestly I may have an idea on what that is...
Here:
This step is usually where people get frustrated, and that's because they think of it as a step, when in reality it's actually not really a step. Going back to the thing about not obssessing over perfection, at this point, you can and should start interacting / having fun with your new friend. KNOW they are there, and know they are listening and absorbing whatever experiences you're sharing with them, even if at first it might seem like you're just dragging their limp body along. This is all gradual, until eventually it'll dawn on you that you're actually not alone right now, and that you actually had a conversation with someone who feels like another person.
If parrotnoia didn't exist as a problem for them this section would not exist
3:36 PM
I know there's another paragraph after this with the same idea but I think this paragraph gets the point across(edited)
It's mostly my opinion, I think it's the right thing to treat tulpas like people and I expect the same from others. They would take one look at me and say I'm delusional because I see myself as an individual. They certainly won't bother treating me with respect, and they'll try to say we're just the same person. It's dehumanizing and I don't like it at all.
It's troubling to see the wavering insecurity over how separate one's "imaginary friends" are though based on what I read in the guide. It's that uncertainty that allows for sentience to develop and at the very least, and I know that if you allow tulpa creation, there's a good chance you will allow pain and frustration. In other words, if say your character was traumatized in the past and you make them sentient, they'll be pissed about having a trauma history because that will affect them. That's why we give around the advice "don't make a villain tulpa, etc"
3:46 PM
Your "imaginary friend" is either their own person or not. You can make this choice but you have to have enough awareness to realize you entertaining the possibility will cause problems
I'll read it all when I get the chance, but
If they're imaginary friends, yeah, I don't get why you'd drag their limp form around. Wouldn't you just parrot them entirely from the start and never stop?
